7mm-08 vs. 270 Win: The 7mm Whitetail Slayers
For over a century, the North American hunting scene has been dominated by .30 caliber cartridges like the 30-06 Springfield, 300 Win Mag, 308 Win, and 300 WSM. Although the effectiveness of .308” diameter bullets has been well documented, many hunters are transitioning to smaller-diameter bullets with less recoil and higher muzzle velocities.
This transition has become more mainstream with the success of the 6.5 Creedmoor. However, two extremely potent big game hunting rounds that pre-date the 6.5mm craze are the 270 Winchester and the 7mm-08 Remington.
The 7mm-08 Remington and 270 Winchester are two rifle cartridges that have more similarities than differences.
Although the 270 Win has a slightly larger case capacity and marginally improved downrange performance, the 7mm-08 offers shooters comparable ballistic performance with less recoil in a short-action rifle.
In this article we will evaluate the 270 vs. 7mm-08 Rem to help you understand the differences between the two and give you a clearer idea of which cartridge is better for your shooting needs.
What Is the Difference Between 7mm-08 and 270?
The main difference between 7mm-08 and 270 Win is this: the 270 has higher case capacity than 7mm-08. This means 270 factory loads have slightly higher muzzle velocities than the 7mm-08 for comparable bullet weights.
Cartridge Specs
When evaluating two rifle cartridges, it’s good to begin by analyzing their physical specifications.
The 270 Winchester ( 270 Win, or just 270 for short) is the elder of the two cartridges, having been released in 1923. The 270 was developed using the 30-06 Springfield as a parent case. The 270 Win is essentially (albeit not exactly) a 30-06 case necked down to seat a 0.277” (7mm) diameter bullet.
| Specification | 7mm-08 Rem | .270 Win |
|---|---|---|
| Parent Case | .308 Win | 30-06 Springfield |
| Bullet Diameter | 0.284" | 0.277" |
| Neck Diameter | 0.315" | 0.308" |
| Base Diameter | 0.470" | 0.470" |
| Case Length | 2.035" | 2.540" |
| Overall Length | 2.800" | 3.340" |
| Case Capacity | 52.2 grains H₂O | 67 grains H₂O |
| Max Pressure (SAAMI) | 61,000 psi | 65,000 psi |
The 7mm-08 Remington (7mm-08 Rem, or 7mm-08 for short) is a youngster compared to the 270, as it was released in 1980. The 7mm-08 was developed using the 308 Winchester as a parent case, which is interesting as the 308 was developed to replace the 30-06 (the parent case for the 270). Similar to the 270, the 7mm-08 uses a 308 case necked down to accept a 0.284” (7.2mm) diameter bullet. It was developed to mimic the ballistic performance of the 7x57 Mauser.
Strictly speaking, the 7mm-08 does not fire a 7mm bullet. The 270 fires a true 7mm diameter bullet, whereas the ’08 fires a 7.2mm bullet. While most shooters won’t make much of a fuss over the difference between 7mm vs. 7.2mm diameter bullets (I doubt whether a mule deer can tell the difference), handloaders need to be aware of the difference when reloading either cartridge.
One striking difference between the 7mm-08 vs. the 270 are their case lengths. The 270 stands a half inch taller than the 7mm-08: 2.54” vs. 2.035”. The 270 also has the greater overall length: 3.34” as opposed to 2.80&rdquo.
Primarily built as hunting rounds, the 270 Win and 7mm-08 are predominantly fired from bolt-action rifles. The difference in overall length directly corresponds to which action each cartridge fits into. The 270, like its parent the 30-06, fits into a standard or long action, whereas the 7mm-08 Rem holds true to its 308 roots and fits into short action.
A short action requires slightly less bolt throw to cycle a round, and is typically a little lighter than a standard or long action. This means follow up shots can be slightly faster in a short action compared to a long one.
The longer case of the 270 allows it to house more propellant than the 7mm-08. The 270 has 67 grains H2O case capacity compared to 52.2 grains for the 7mm-08. This capacity difference correlates with SAAMI maximum chamber pressures for each hunting cartridge, with the 270 Win being capable of handling 4,000 psi more chamber pressure than its competitor: 65,000 psi vs. 61,000 psi.
Recoil
Although both hunting cartridges are close in terms of recoil, the 7mm-08 Remington has slightly less than the 270 Win.
Recoil is an important consideration when purchasing a new rifle, as a round with heavy recoil will be more difficult to control and slow your rate of follow-up shots.
Recoil is determined by four factors: muzzle velocity (fps), propellant charge weight, bullet weight, and rifle weight.
Even though both rifle cartridges generally fire similar bullet weights, the lighter powder charge for the 7mm-08 lends itself to lower recoil.
For this example, we will compare the two 150 grain bullets that are popular for both rounds. For the 270 Winchester we will analyze the 150gr Nosler AccuBond; for the 7mm-08, the Hornady 150gr ELD-X (to see detailed ballistic specifications and trajectory data for this and other 7mm-08 loads, check out our comprehensive 7mm-08 ballistics charts).
Assuming that a 7-pound rifle fires each round, the 7mm-08 will have free recoil energy of 18.88 ft-lbs; lower compared to 22.36 ft-lbs for the 270 Win.
It is true that the 270 Win has slightly more recoil than the 7mm-08, although most shooters will not be able to tell much of a difference between the two.
Muzzle Velocity, Kinetic Energy, and Trajectory
With its higher case capacity, the 270 Winchester typically has a slight edge over the 7mm-08 in terms of muzzle velocity and kinetic energy. It will also have a flatter trajectory when comparing bullets of similar weight.
For the purpose of this comparison, we selected four different factory loads to analyze. For the 270 Winchester: 130gr SST and 150gr AccuBond. For the 7mm-08 Rem: 120gr TTSX and 150gr ELD-X.
As you can see, the 270 Win surpasses the 7mm-08 in terms of ballistic performance at all ranges when comparing similar bullet weights. For example, the 270’s 130gr SST has a muzzle velocity of 3,200 fps; significantly higher than the 7mm-08 120gr TTSX round’s 3,005 fps.
Muzzle energy is a similar tale, as the 7mm simply cannot keep up with the 270. The 270 Winchester’s 150gr AccuBond leaves the muzzle with 2,705 ft-lbs of energy; the 7mm-08’s 150gr ELD-X, 2,555 ft-lbs.
Both hunting cartridges are comparably flat shooting out to 300 yards. However, at longer ranges, the 270 Win has a flatter trajectory and maintains its velocity and energy more efficiently.
Although it seems like the 270 is simply better than the 7mm-08, it is important to note that both rounds have similar ballistic performance within normal hunting ranges under 500 yards.
For example, at 400 yards the 270 Win 150gr AccuBond only has around 100 fps higher velocity, 150 ft-lbs more kinetic energy, and about 2” less bullet drop compared to the 7mm-08 150gr ELD-X. That’s rather impressive considering the 7mm-08 fits into a short action and has slightly less recoil.
There’s no denying the 270 Win has superior long-range ballistics. However, at typical hunting ranges within 500 yards, the 7mm-08 and the 270 are roughly comparable.
Ballistic Coefficient and Sectional Density
The 270 Winchester typically has a slightly higher ballistic coefficient and sectional density compared to the 7mm-08.
Ballistic coefficient (BC) is a measure of how aerodynamic a bullet is and how well it resists wind deflection. Sectional density (SD) is a way to evaluate the penetration ability of a bullet based on its weight and diameter
Although the 270 generally has a higher BC, the difference between it and the 7mm-08 are minor.
Consider both rounds’ 140gr Berger VLD Hunting bullets. The 270 has a BC of 0.504, whereas the 7mm has a BC of 0.500. Another example is the 270 140gr SST and 7mm-08 139gr GMX: 0.495 and 0.486, respectively.
| Round | 0 (yds.) | 100 | 200 | 300 | 400 | 500 | 1000 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| .270 Win 130gr SST |
3200 fps 2956 ft-lbs -1.5" |
2984 fps 2570 ft-lbs 0.0" |
2779 fps 2229 ft-lbs -2.4" |
2583 fps 1926 ft-lbs -9.3" |
2396 fps 1656 ft-lbs -21.5" |
2216 fps 1417 ft-lbs -39.7" |
1447 fps 604 ft-lbs -266.7" |
| .270 Win 150gr AccuBond |
2850 fps 2705 ft-lbs -1.5" |
2702 fps 2432 ft-lbs 0.0" |
2560 fps 2183 ft-lbs -3.3" |
2422 fps 1953 ft-lbs -11.8" |
2288 fps 1743 ft-lbs -26.4" |
2158 fps 1551 ft-lbs -47.5" |
1579 fps 830 ft-lbs -286.9" |
| 7mm-08 120gr TTSX |
3005 fps 2406 ft-lbs -1.5" |
2752 fps 2018 ft-lbs 0.0" |
2513 fps 1683 ft-lbs -3.1" |
2286 fps 1393 ft-lbs -3.1" |
2071 fps 1143 ft-lbs -27" |
1868 fps 930 ft-lbs -50.5" |
1119 fps 334 ft-lbs -347.9" |
| 7mm-08 150gr ELD-X |
2770 fps 2555 ft-lbs -1.5" |
2612 fps 2273 ft-lbs 0.0" |
2460 fps 2016 ft-lbs -3.6" |
2313 fps 1783 ft-lbs -13.0" |
2171 fps 1570 ft-lbs -28.8" |
2034 fps 1378 ft-lbs -52.1" |
1439 fps 690 ft-lbs -322.0" |
For SD, the 270 Win has a slight edge over the 7mm-08. This is due to the 270 firing a slightly narrower bullet at higher velocities, meaning the force of the bullet can be focused on a smaller area. That lends itself to deeper penetration.
Take both rounds’ 150gr GameKing bullets, for example. The 270 has an SD of 0.279, whereas the 7mm-08 has ab SD of 0.266.
In general, the 270 has a higher BC and SD than the 7mm-08. However, the differences between the two are razor thin when comparing bullets of similar design.
Hunting
Both the 270 Winchester and 7mm-08 Remington would make an excellent choice for your next hunting rifle.
The late Jack O’Connor of Outdoor Life spent a good part of his career extolling versatility of the 270 as a hunting cartridge. He passed away before the release of the 7mm-08, though it would have been interesting to hear his take on it since it can do almost everything his beloved 270 could out of a short-action rifle.
One of the major advantages of both cartridges is the availability of factory ammo loaded with wide range of bullet weights. Factory-loaded 270 and 7mm-08 cartridges are loaded with projectiles as light as 96 grains and as high as 160, giving hunters the option to take on varmints like coyotes all the way up to big game like elk and black bear.
However, both cartridges are best known for their effectiveness on whitetail and mule deer. Both carry enough kinetic energy to ethically harvest deer at ranges over 500 yards, and have less recoil than traditional big game cartridges like the 300 Win Mag or 308 Win.
In terms of African game, both rounds would be effective for springbok, impala, and kudu. The 270 and 7mm-08 lack the kinetic energy needed to harvest larger and dangerous game like Cape buffalo or elephant. For those you’d want something bigger like a 416 Ruger or 460 Weatherby Magnum.
Ammo and Rifle Cost/Availability
As the 270 Winchester is an older cartridge, its ammo and rifles are both generally more available than either for 7mm-08.
The 270 Win typically boasts a 2:1 margin in terms of factory ammo varieties. The popularity of the 270 is mostly due to Jack O’Connor pumping it for years in Outdoor Life, as well as its being on the market for almost 60 years longer than the 7mm-08.
In terms of price, there is not a lot of difference between the 270 and 7mm-08.
Inexpensive 270 ammo typically runs around $1.50-$2/round, with premium hunting ammo starting around $3/round (at the time of writing). For 7mm-08 Rem, low-end hunting ammo starts around $2/round, with premium ammo going for about $3-$4/round.
Since we're on the subject of ammo cost, don't forget to check out on our Remington 270 ammunition page!
Although the 270 is slightly less expensive, most hunters will not shoot through thousands of rounds per year. Instead, they will typically use a few boxes to zero their hunting rifle before the season opens and then maybe go through a box or two in the field. Ammo cost is therefore less of an issue when it comes to these rounds.
Both the 270 and 7mm-08 are almost exclusively considered hunting cartridges. Therefore, most firearms chambered for either are bolt-action rifles.
There are more used 270 rifles on the market due to the cartridge’s age, but new rifles are equally available for both rounds.
Even though the 7mm-08 is a relative newcomer to the hunting scene, rifle manufactures have noted its utility and made rifles of several price points available. Economical Ruger American and Savage Axis rifles are both chambered for either round. Likewise, higher-end Winchester Model 70, Remington 700, and Weatherby Vanguard rifles are also available chambered for either round.
The primary semi-auto option is the Browning BAR, as it is available in both 270 Win and 7mm-08 Remington.
Reloading
If you like to handload your own ammo, both cartridges offer you a lot of options for customization in terms of projectiles and powders.
Projectiles for the 270 are usually easier to come by, as the caliber has seen a lot of hype surrounding the adoption of the 277 SIG Fury round by the U.S. military. Furthermore, 0.277” diameter bullets are also used in the 6.8 Remington SPC, 270 Weatherby Magnum, 270 WSM, and 27 Nosler.
There is also a lot of bullet availability for the 7mm-08, as the 7mm Rem Mag, 7x57 Mauser, and 280 Remington are also popular cartridges that fire 0.284” diameter bullets.
It’s important for reloaders to remember the differences between bullets and how manufacturers name them before placing an order. Bullets for the 270 Win are often labeled 0.277” or 270, while bullets for the 7mm-08 may be referred to as 7mm or 0.284”.
Final Shots: 270 vs. 7mm-08
The 270 Winchester and 7mm-08 Remington are two superb hunting cartridges that are more like each other than they are different.
The 270 Winchester is the larger cartridge of the two, and has superior ballistic performance thanks to its higher case capacity. However, the 270 Win also requires a long action, and has slightly more recoil than the 7mm-08.
The 7mm-08 Remington is a newer addition to hunters’ arsenals, but it possesses some qualities the 270 lacks. As the 7mm-08 was based off the 308 Winchester, it can fit into a short action and has slightly less recoil than the 270, albeit with comparable ballistic performance at traditional hunting ranges.
Although the 7mm-08 offers several advantages, ammo availability is a consideration. There are around twice as many options for 270 than 7mm-08 Rem. Many hunters prefer the tried-and-true 270 Winchester as it is easier to find rifles, ammo, and projectiles for reloading.
However, if you’re in the market for a new hunting rifle and you want something a little more compact, the 7mm-08 Remington might be a good choice for your needs.
No matter which cartridge you choose, make sure you stock up on ammunition here at Ammo.com. I’ll see you on the range!
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